. Emphasizes that money itself is not a value, but what it represents to an individual is. 0:34 - 1:03 - Finding Meaning Beyond Money Speaker 1 reflects on the importance of understanding why people do their jobs, beyond just earning money. Highlights the idea that meaningful work provides existential safety and keeps the spirit alive. 1:04 - 2:38 - Building Individuals in Organizations Speaker 1 shares an anecdote about a virtual assistance firm that focuses on individual development, leading to higher retention rates. Emphasizes the value of building up individuals within an organization. 3:05 - 3:50 - The Role of Passionpreneurs Speaker 2 talks about passionpreneurs who follow their passion and transform it into work that provides existential safety. Discusses the balance between organizational constraints and personal passion. 3:50 - 5:17 - Finding Passion Within Systems Speaker 2 explains that finding passion is not about blaming the system but finding what makes one feel alive within the system. Encourages boldness and courage in pursuing one's passion. 5:57 - 6:22 - Defining Passion vs. Hobby Speaker 2 defines passion as something one must do, whereas a hobby is something one enjoys. Highlights the importance of pursuing passions that make one feel alive and fulfilled. 7:21 - 9:58 - Passion as an Antidote to Fear Speaker 2 explains how passion helps overcome fears and uncertainties. Discusses the importance of allowing excitement and fear to coexist to pursue what is truly meaningful. 10:00 - 12:10 - Overcoming Fear in Public Speaking Speaker 1 shares personal experiences of public speaking and the discomfort associated with it. Speaker 2 emphasizes the importance of doing what makes one feel alive despite fears. 13:36 - 18:48 - Embracing Discomfort for Bold Visions Speaker 2 discusses the necessity of discomfort in pursuing bold visions. Highlights that discomfort is an indication of something truly important and encourages embracing it as part of the journey. 19:05 - 21:19 - Legacy and Intentional Impact Speaker 2 talks about the importance of leaving a legacy and creating intentional, meaningful impact. Encourages leaders to be conscious of their influence and the legacy they are building. 21:43 - 23:56 - Redefining Boldness Speaker 2 redefines boldness as courage, conviction, and consciousness. Discusses the role of vulnerability and the importance of seeing conflict as a signal of change. 26:03 - 27:07 - Creating Change Through Agency Speaker 2 encourages listeners to recognize their power to create change and leave a legacy. Emphasizes the significance of being intentional and accountable for one's impact. Episode Highlights: 0:04 - 0:12: Exploring the metaphorical meanings of money. 0:34 - 1:03: Understanding the deeper reasons for working beyond earning money. 1:04 - 2:38: The importance of individual development in organizations. 3:05 - 3:50: Embracing passion in professional work. 3:50 - 5:17: Finding passion within systems. 5:57 - 6:22: Defining passion versus hobby. 7:21 - 9:58: Using passion to overcome fear. 10:00 - 12:10: Overcoming fear in public speaking. 13:36 - 18:48: Embracing discomfort for bold visions. 19:05 - 21:19: Importance of legacy and intentional impact. 21:43 - 23:56: Redefining boldness and its importance. 26:03 - 27:07: Creating change through agency and accountability. Resources Mentioned: Zana's Book: Bold Reinvented: Next Level Leading with Courage, Consciousness, and Conviction Conclusion: The episode concludes with a recap of the key points discussed. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own leadership journeys and embrace the bold, soul-based decisions that drive innovation and collaboration. Where to find Our Guest Online: Website: https://www.boldleadership-culture.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zanagoicpetricevic/ Instagram: htt