EP105 with Mills and Sinx Founders and owners of UsTwo, Matt 'Mills' Miller and John ‘Sinx’ Sinclair suddenly find themselves in a very enviable position — leaders of a successful ‘independent’ company, and… not really needed. This is of course ‘designed’ and not without a lot of hard work. But, since bringing in a CEO and senior management the best friends finally get to appreciate what they have built. In collaboration with Andy Wright and Never Not Creative, we found some time to sit with Mills & Sinx and explore what their company looks like now, how their friendship continues to work after 30 years and what they are going to do with all this spare time. This is an incredibly frank and honest reflection that charts the naïve, hedonistic beginnings of the ‘fampany’ to the realisation that they needed to pull the needle back towards business, making hard decisions and ‘growing up’ in order to protect the company and their 300+ employees. It’s a perfect end of chapter conversation, before beginning the next. As always special thanks to Streamtime for their steadfast support and motivation. If you haven’t tried their software yet, well, you’re wasting time, literally. Special thanks to The Design Conference who gave us this opportunity. If you haven’t been before, you must, simple as that. Links: UsTwo: www.ustwo.com Monument Valley: www.monumentvalleygame.com/mv2 The road to 100: medium.com/the-inner-terrapin-woke/my-name-is-mills-i-am-mills-e919b099b2a7 Mill’s podcast: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-jfdi-cast/id1358414484 Mills Instagram: www.instagram.com/millsustwo Sinx Instagram: www.instagram.com/sinxustwo TDC: www.thedesignconference.com.au Streamtime: www.streamtime.net