This week on Be Afraid, we break the fourth wall, moving from the world of horror fiction to the world of nonfiction. As we do, we consider the real stuff, the stuff movies are made of, the stuff horror movies are made of. By examining the phenomenon of real-world exorcisms, we ask how it is that we can be both skeptical and scared.  Joining us this week: Dr. David Taylor is Associate Professor of Theology and Culture at Fuller Theological Seminary.  Rob Clark is the minister to youth and children at University Place Presbyterian Church.  Dr. Coltan Scrivner is a behavioral scientist and is the author of a forthcoming book exploring our Morbid sense of Curiosity.  Resources Referenced: Planet Weird’s Youtube of Anneliese Michel, the Real Emily Rose God’s Wider Presence, Robert K. Johnston Born Believers, Justin L. Barrett.  Washington Post article about the trial of Anneliese Michel’s parents and priests.  More from Kutter Callaway on theology and culture: https://www.kuttercallaway.com/ More from Uncommon Voices Collective: https://www.uncommonvoices.faith/ More from Qoheleth: https://qohelethnoise.bandcamp.com   “Be Afraid” is a production of Christianity Today, Fuller Seminary, and Uncommon Voices Collective Executive Producer: Erik Petrik Producer, Writer, and Editor: Kutter Callaway Producer, Editor, Graphic Design: Stephen Scheidler Producer: TJ Hester Music: Jeremy Hunt and Qoholeth Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices