This week, Kate is joined by Katie Gatti Tassin from the podcast beloved by many Beths, @moneywithkatie. This isn’t a money episode in terms of how you spend or invest it, but a broader conversation about the weirdness of money, our fascination with it, Kate’s personal anxiety about it, the conflicting ways they both feel about capitalism, the ways they’ve evolved since Girlbossing too close to the sun, while also acknowledging that the way we all were too delighted to watch the Girlboss burn was a problem. Kate airs her grievances about how exploitative online financial content can be or how out of touch the Dave Ramseys of the world can be with their audience, and Katie explains the “hot girl hamster wheel,” aka the immense cost of ongoing maintenance to uphold beauty standards, among other things. Enjoy!