Season 7 | Episode 3 In today's episode Mike and Hart are joined by Sam Hart of Skip Protocol and Illia Polosukhin to dive into the world of chain abstraction. They discuss the consensus around the need for intent-based interoperability solutions, the incentives (or lack thereof) for ecosystems to be interoperable, and predictions around rollup consolidation and abstraction. Other topics covered include how user funds could be escrowed and verified in cross-chain architectures, the role of zero-knowledge proofs as a critical connecting infrastructure, and the tradeoffs between shared security and chain sovereignty. Stay tuned for all of this and much more! -- Follow Ilia: https://x.com/ilblackdragon Follow Sam: https://x.com/hxrts Follow Hart: https://twitter.com/hal2001 Follow Mike: https://twitter.com/MikeIppolito_ Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3R1D1D9 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3pQTfmD Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3cpKZXH - - Join us at DAS (Digital Asset Summit) in London this March! DAS is the #1 institutional conference in crypto, hosted by Blockworks. Use the link below to learn more, and use BELL10 to get 10% off your ticket! Sign up now because the price goes up every month. See you there! https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2024-london/home - - Timestamps: (0:00) Interview Start: What is Chain Abstraction? (5:15) Cosmos Cross Chain Vision (18:07) NEAR Account Aggregation Vision (31:21) DAS London Ad (32:25) Unbridging Crypto Ecosystems (41:48) Exporting ETH as Money (59:39) Where will users lock in? (1:05:34) Endgame UX & Infrastructure (1:14:26) Outro - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Bell Curve is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Mike, Jason, Michael, Vance and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.