On this episode I talk with a relative newcomer to birding, Courtney Ellis. Courtney began birding during the pandemic, and has become a birding enthusiast and ambassador.  Check out her podcast The Thing with Feathers, as well as her soon to be released book Looking Up: A Birders Guide to Hope Through Grief. We talked about my episode #148 with Holly Merker where you can hear about Ornitherapy and the Mindful Birding Network.  To read more about the things we talked about check out the blog post on BirdBanter.com.  Thanks for listening. Until next time, good birding and good day!