In the fourth episode of our joint podcast series with Millennial Politics on Venezuela, we speak with Gabriel Hetland, Assistant Professor of Latin American, Caribbean and U.S. Latino Studies at the University of Albany and author of “The Crooked Line: From Populist Mobilization to Participatory Democracy in Chávez-era Venezuela” and the forthcoming manuscript “Making Democracy Real: Participatory Governance in Urban Latin America,” to discuss the three principles that should guide our response to the crisis in Venezuela: non-interventionism, self-determination, and solidarity with the oppressed. (Gabriel Hetland is not affiliated with Brand New Congress and speaks only for himself as a guest on this podcast episode.)