The conversation explores the intersection of math and language, with a focus on Ben Orlin's book 'Math for English Majors'. They discuss the different skill sets required for math and creativity, the organization of math education, and the accessibility of math for different audiences. Ben emphasizes the importance of quantification and the power of math in various fields. They also touch on the role of women in math history and the influence of Einstein's wife on his work. In this conversation, Ben Orlin discusses his book 'Math with Bad Drawings' and the intersection of math and literature. He explains that while math can be seen as a purified and simplified form of thinking, it can enrich a person's appreciation of literature by providing a different perspective and a way to think about the world. Ben also shares his process of writing the book, including how he chose the topics to include and the challenges of making math accessible to a wide audience. Keywords: math, language, skill sets, math education, accessibility, quantification, power of math, women in math, Einstein's wife, math, literature, book, writing, perspective, abstraction, relationships Subscribe to Breaking Math wherever you get your podcasts. Become a patron of Breaking Math [https://www.patreon.com/breakingmath] for as little as a buck a month Follow Ben Orlin on Twitter [https://twitter.com/benorlin], and on his websites mathwithbaddrawings.com [http://mathwithbaddrawings.com/] and mathgameswithbaddrawings.com [https://mathgameswithbaddrawings.com/]  and find his book "Math for English Majors" on Amazon [https://amzn.to/3MrMl2x] Follow Breaking Math on Twitter [https://x.com/breakingmathpod], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/breakingmathmedia/], LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/breaking-math/], Website [https://breakingmath.io/], YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@BreakingMathPod], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@breakingmathmedia] Follow Autumn on Twitter [https://x.com/1autumn_leaf] and Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/1autumnleaf/] Follow Gabe on Twitter [https://x.com/TechPodGabe]. Become a guest here [https://www.breakingmath.io/contact] email: [email protected]