Co-hosts Hannah Mirmiran and Alexa Theisen continue their investigation into shame. They talk about how people avoid dealing with shame and guilt, and how people act out.  One of the ways people react to painful feelings of shame and guilt is automatically getting defensive. We rarely want to sit with feelings of shame and guilt. It's painful. None of us wants to be seen as the "bad guy", so we often automatically shift blame and focus on other people--jealousy, envy, and projection.