Justin catches up with his old internet friend Paul Jarvis. Today, Paul co-founded Fathom Analytics with Jack Ellis: a simple alternative to Google Analytics. Paul is also the author of the book "Company of One," which has influenced a whole generation of indie entrepreneurs (and has been reviewed by Cal Newport, Chris Guillebeau, Ben Chestnut, Tiago Forte, and more). Previously, Justin and Paul did a weekly mastermind, where they supported and encouraged each other around our indie businesses. They decided to do a catch-up call and recorded it so you could listen in. 👍 📺 Learn how to start your own podcast! Highlights: (00:10) - Intro (02:26) - Being off the internet (04:04) - What's a typical day for Paul? (06:27) - Looking back at our Mastermind call (08:14) - There's no beginning and no end (10:42) - Things that are out of your control affect your business (13:14) - Does Justin's surfing metaphor make sense to a surfer? (16:17) - How would you start an indie business in 2023? (22:11) - You've got to get in motion (25:14) - Using products in your category for a long time (27:59) - Is there still any room in Saas? (32:02) - The act of making the bet (38:51) - Is freelancing still viable in 2023? (43:01) - Company design is lifestyle design (45:06) - Worrying about being stagnant (47:26) - How do you handle customer feature requests? (52:14) - It's ok to be late to a shift in the market (58:30) - Caring is an indie advantage (01:05:11) - Collaboration is what gets us anywhere 🎙️ Podcast hosting is provided by Transistor.fm. Links: Fathom Analytics (get $10 off) Book: Company of One Article: How to Start a Mastermind Wayback Machine: Mint Analytics Article: Why we moved from courses to SaaS Self-Publishing Hangout: Paul Jarvis, Nathan Barry, Sacha Greif, Justin Jackson Thanks to our monthly supporters Pascal from sharpen.page Rewardful.com Greg Park Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit.com.au Marcel Fahle, wearebold.af Ethan Gunderson Anton Zorin from ProdCamp.com Bill Condo (@mavrck) Ward from MemberSpace.com Russell Brown from Photivo.com Evandro Sasse Austin Loveless Michael Sitver Fathom Analytics Dan Buda Colin Gray Dave Giunta ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★