On the season finale, join us for a fun-filled episode as Ian Von welcomes his longtime friend, Van Lathan! This Academy Award-winning former TMZ producer and co-host of the Ringer's "Higher Learning" podcast gives his takes on his favorite R&B groups and artists and his controversial take on his favorite Usher album. You don't want to miss this episode.    0:00 - 2:26 Intro  2:26 - 3:30 Ian and Van Lathan’s background 3:30 - 4:30 Old R&B vs New R&B approaching women 4:30 - 5:33 New age R&B making music on what they think 5:33 - 6:14 Jagged Edge’s let’s get married 6:14 - 6:46 R&B is missing its Vulnerability 6:46 - 9:27 Player Proof vs Pink Ladies story 9:27 - 10:28 Songs that make you want to feel a way about someone 10:28 - 10:47 Vulnerability is frowned upon 10:47 - 13:36 Moving from Baton Rouge to LA 13:36 - 16:10 TMZ to an Oscar 16:10 - 16:30 Once again, for the very first time 16:30 - 19:50 Ian’s group 19:50 - 20:40 People who push and inspire each other 20:40 - 21:37 Being noticed by a fan 21:37 - 22:46 Mount Rushmore R&B Male Groups 22:46 - 27:08 Jagged Edge vs 112 27:08 - 28:49 Ranking Male Group 28:49 - 30:12 Mount Rushmore Girl Group 30:12 - 31:55 Why not Destiny’s Child? 31:55 - 32:42 Mount Rushmore for Male R&B Singers 32:42 - 33:21 Does Michael count as Pop 33:42 - 34:07 Mount Rushmore for Female Artists 34:07 - 35:55 What is considered R&B and Pop? 35:55 - 37:46 Rolling Stones Best R&B Songs 21st Century 37:46 - 41:40 Favorite Singer and Rapper 41:40 - 42:30 Frank Oceans Discography 42:30 - 43:15 Jay Electronica’s Rap Style 43:15 - 45:06 The top ten on the Rolling Stones list 45:06 - 46:30 Confessions better than 8701 46:30 - 47:40 Redoing the Mount Rushmore 47:40 - 48:30 Musiq Soulchild 48:30 - 50:50 New female Mount Rushmore 50:50 - 52:00 SZA’s Impact 52:00 - 53:24 Top Five on 8701 and Confessions 53:24 - 55:40 Confessions top to bottom wins 55:40 - 57:46 Comparing songs on Usher projects 56:46 - 1:00:06 Closing   ✅ LISTEN, FOLLOW, AND RATE Hosted & Created by:  Ian Von Produced by: Launch Pod Studio Shot and Edited by: Lazy Pickle Studios