One of the greatest gifts we have in recovery is being able to sit with someone who enters into the scary parts of their story.  This may even be the first time they are sharing and they have decided to share with us. This process can be one of the biggest healing components of the recovery process through the empowering presence of the Holy Spirit. But, as we listen, how do we stay out of our head and not overthink this? How do we understand the difference between skill versus presence in the listening end of the fifth step? Listen in as Rodney Holmstrom unpacks this topic in Part 1 of the conversation.