“I think I, as a leader, learned a lot about diversity and inclusion. And it's not enough as leaders to just say, I want diversity and hope it's going to follow unwittingly. And I think it's just, again, because of who I am, it was incredibly inclusive, so I had no barriers to entry. I celebrated every single woman equally. And as a result, that visible difference meant that more and more women saw themselves in people they wouldn't have normally seen being celebrated…….” Dr Kirstin Ferguson who was recently awarded an AM in the Australia Day Honours List in 2023 for her significant contribution to business and gender equality, joins our Change Happens podcast host Jenelle McMaster to discuss her moment creating change with the #CelebratingWomen campaign.