In this episode, Pilar Swanson joins Ryan Reich on a Skype call.  Pilar and Ryan are both high school ceramics teachers so the conversation kept circling back to art education.  Also talked about parenthood, being an artist and teacher and more.   A fun talk as always so check it out! _____________ CLAY is a  4 letter word. A podcast about clay and life and art. A celebration of the process of ceramics and all the failures and life lessons learned through clay and fire. Candid conversations about ceramics, pottery, sculpture, art and life. _____________ Pilar Swanson IG: @pilar.swanson Web: pilar-swanson.com _____________ Ryan Reich IG: @ryanreichceramics @clayisa4letterword web: ryanreichceramics.com _____________ [email protected] _____________ Audios: C4 theme by Ryan Reich _____________ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/clayisa4letterword/message