What if life were like a book that you could open at will and know in real time? Gillian White [https://lsa.umich.edu/english/people/faculty/gcwhite.html] joins the podcast to talk about Elizabeth Bishop's fascinating poem "Over 2,000 Illustrations and a Complete Concordance [https://twitter.com/kjavadizadeh/status/1667965179160608769?s=20]."  Gillian is an associate professor in the Department of English Language and Literature at the University of Michigan, where she also runs the Poetry and Poetics Workshop. She is the author of Lyric Shame: The "Lyric" Subject of Contemporary American Poetry [https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674734395] (Harvard UP, 2014). Her essays have also appeared in The New York Review of Books [https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2021/01/14/bernadette-mayer-memory-month-in-the-life/], the Poetry Foundation website [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/156217/why-feel-bad-about-beauty], and London Review of Books [https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v28/n10/gillian-white/awful-but-cheerful]. You can follow Gillian on Twitter [https://twitter.com/GillyWhite8]. Please follow, rate, and review the podcast if you like what you hear. Share an episode with a friend! And follow my Substack [https://kamranjavadizadeh.substack.com/] for news about the podcast.