Open source and Cloud Native thinking and approaches can be very synergistic and drive value for organisations, but both are still not well understood today. This week, Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to Massimo Ferrari, Distinguished Product manager, Red Hat about open source philosophy, misunderstandings about open source that still exist, what Cloud Native actually is and question if these two approaches can come together to drive faster value.  We then talk about how GenAI can power Cloud transformation. TLDR:01:00 The technology singularity 06:11 Cloud conversation with Massimo Ferrari35:24 How GenAI and Cloud compliment each other 43:50 Festive trip around London! GuestMassimo Ferrari:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/massimoferrari/ HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/