In this episode, host Alex Pascal discusses with Steven MacGregor, a renowned international speaker and leadership development expert his journey from academia to a prominent figure in the field of workplace wellbeing.  The conversation highlights his innovative approach to enhancing organizational performance through wellness initiatives. MacGregor discusses the importance of distinguishing between wellness and wellbeing, suggesting that while wellness often focuses on recovery from daily strains, wellbeing integrates healthful practices into the fabric of everyday life.  He emphasizes sustainable performance, advocating for balanced work routines that include necessary breaks and recovery periods to prevent burnout and enhance long-term productivity. Throughout the conversation, MacGregor shares his insights on design thinking and its application in leadership, underlining the role of thoughtful design in creating effective and fulfilling work environments.  His approach to wellness incorporates a holistic view, considering physical, mental, and emotional health as integral to fostering a productive organizational culture. The podcast provides a comprehensive look at how personal and organizational wellbeing can be cultivated to improve overall performance and job satisfaction.  MacGregor's perspective is particularly valuable for leaders and coaches aiming to implement more thoughtful and sustainable practices in their workplaces or with their clients.