In this episode, we talk with Michael Gill - the Automation King. Gill is a software developer, a SaaS CTO, as well as a NoCode CTO. You may know him form his NoCode Coffee newslestter, but he is also in beta with Cuppa; and is set to release his highly anticipated e-book, Maker Minions on April 11, 2020. .   This interview with Gill is nothing less than a magician revealing the secrets behind the tricks they perform. For magicians, that sacrilegious, but in NoCode, that is highly encouraged. Gill does a great job bringing the best of both worlds, code and NoCode. Straddling the line of all that matters, which is effective product development that eliminates a customer's pain point. He also gives kudos to some other awesome no-code makers who inspired him with their iterative MVP attitude.  Hot Takes 4:18 - Origin Story. 5:48 - NoCode isn't cheating - even for a developer. 9:17 - How to create an automated newsletter. 14:26 - A VC Fund for NoCode Makers!. 16:20 - Maker Minions - An automated e-book. 19:59 - Grab a Cuppa ☕️ with interesting people from Twitter. 21:19 - Why would a software developer build with NoCode. 22:51 - On working with Jens Lennartsson Collaboration is different in NoCode vs. Code. 25:43 - Dark sides of Nocode - Too many tools! 30:12 - How developers can help NoCode. 31:36 - Idea vs execution with MVP experiment canvas. 36:52 - Build in the open / Work out loud. 38:29 - What happens to coders? 43:04 - What you didn't know about Michael Gill. 45:44 - Summary and Predictions. Music Credits Stephskillie - https://www.looperman.com/tracks?mid=Stephskillie RMarc1313 - https://www.looperman.com/tracks?mid=RMarc1313 Prod. nocredit - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEmMHfBN2NDsiEteozFVgYQ Bobbyoddsock - https://www.looperman.com/tracks?mid=bobbyoddsock --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/codeless/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/codeless/support