In response to the “trainer wars” between the balanced and force-free communities Sarah and past podcast guest (and friend) Lisa Mullinax sit down to talk about the place where ethics meet efficacy. Lisa and Sarah do not claim a label as trainers (neither balanced nor force-free), and have both undergone an evolution in the behavior field that has helped them to arrive at a place free of dogma and full of compassion. Know the opinions expressed here are vulnerable and honest, and there can’t be enough time for all nuance to be present in all conversations. Neither Sarah nor Lisa represent anything other than themselves in their thoughts expressed herein. In the second part on The False Dichotomy in dog training, Sarah and Lisa get into the weeds regarding what effectiveness looks like, what it truly means to manipulate aversive or appetitive stimuli, and all the nuances involved. Two podcasts on reinforcement: https://soundcloud.com/sarah-stremming/reinforcement-misunderstandings https://soundcloud.com/sarah-stremming/coercion-with-adam-skandarani A blog concerning the coercion of R+: https://thecognitivecanine.com/high-value-vs-high-stakes-the-ethics-of-positive-reinforcement/ Find Lisa at serenitycanine.com and shelterbehavior.com Sign up for courses and join the membership here: https://cogdogclassroom.mykajabi.com/ Join us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cogdogradio Music by AlexGrohl from Pixabay