In episode #9 of the Connectomics podcast, Mark sits down with neuroscientist and philosopher Andrea Hiott. They talk about Andrea's work in providing a new metaphor for understanding cognition: cognition as navigation or way-making. As well as exploring what exactly is meant by the claim that cognition is way-making, they explore how this intersects with contemporary views within philosophy and science, what some of its practical implications are, and indeed, how Andrea made her way to these ideas in the first place. As you will hear, the path was long and winding, and no doubt played a substantial role in making Andrea the fascinating and lively conversation partner she is today. This episode was edited and produced by Shane Byrne and in association with the Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology Graduate University. Cover art is provided by Cian Brennan.