In this episode we were honoured to speak with Cathy and Louise about their recent publication regarding a framework for developing consultation practice. Dr Cathy Atkinson is the curriculum director of the initial doctoral programme for educational psychology training at the University of Manchester and Dr Louise Jones is a Lead Specialist Educational and Child Psychologist at Lancashire County Council. Louise also completed her thesis in consultation practice and the application of Motivational Interviewing in consultation. We speak together about some of the elements of the National Association of School Psychology (NASP) framework which informed their approach and the integration of motivational interviewing techniques in our practice. We hope you enjoy this episode as much as we enjoyed recording it!