In this episode we speak with Helen Kerslake and Jane Roller from Westminster Kensington and Chelsea Educational psychology consultation service about their journey to becoming EPs and their experience of working in a service that places consultation at the centre of the work they do.It was so interesting to speak with Helen and Jane about their services relationship with Patsy Wagner and her model of consultation. They both spoke about the service being known as ‘Gods little acre’ before becoming a tri-borough where all the schools in the area embraced consultation and it was embedded fully. Both Jane and Helen felt it was important to continue this at the service to form part of Patsy’s legacy at the service.We found this conversation really inspiring and loved how Jane and Helen drew emphasis on the importance of our role in collaborating with consultees and being on a journey with them.References/readings mentioned:Bateson, G. (1970). Form, substance, and difference. Essential Readings in Biosemiotics, 423-­440. https://faculty.washington.edu/jernel/521/Form.htmDowling, E. (2020). Taking the clinic to school: A consultative service for parents, children and teachers. In E. Dowling & E. Osborne (Eds.), The Family and the School: A Joint Systems Approach to Problems with Children (2nd Ed., pp. 59-68). Routledge. https://doi.org/10.4324/9780429481734Kerslake, H., & Roller, J. (2000). The Development of 'Scripts' in the Practice of Consultation. Educational Psychology in Practice, 16(1), 25-30. https://doi.org/10.1080/026673600115247Newton. (2020). Problems with IQ and Psychometric Assessment. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/problems-iq-psychometric-assessments-colin-newtonBlank’s Levels of Questioning - salda.org.auWagner, P. (2000). Consultation: Developing a comprehensive approach to service delivery. Educational Psychology in Practice, 16(1), 9-18. https://doi.org/10.1080/026673600115229Wagner, P. (2008). Consultation as a framework for practice. In L. Woolfson & J. Boyle (Eds.), Frameworks for Practice in Educational Psychology: A Textbook for Trainees and Practitioners (1st Ed. pp , 139-162).Watkins, C. & Wagner, P. (2000). Improving school behaviour. Sage. http://dx.doi.org/10.4135/9781446219096