Holograms have always bedazzled the mind.  First invented in 1947 (http://www.holography.ru/histeng.htm), holograms are man-made mirages, formed by mirrors and lasers, that mimic the appearance of physical reality.  In the late 20th century, cosmologists began using the holographic model as a metaphor to explain the universe.  Under this view, the fundamental stuff of the cosmos is not matter but information; information that somehow expresses itself in the form of the physical world. (https://www.scientificamerican.com/video/is-our-universe-a-hologram-video/)  In her new book, Cosmic Hologram: In-formation at the Center of Creation, (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JM2XGKW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1) this week's guest, Jude Currivan, goes farther: might the hologram model be the one that unites science with spirituality?  Listen in as Philip and Jude explore this and all sorts of other mind-opening topics.