Move over, DeFi—ReFi is coming? Gitcoin founder Kevin Owocki has stepped away from DeFi grant-giving machine Gitcoin as it fully decentralizes and is now focused on regenerative finance (huh?) and ReFi incubator Supermodular. He aims to "regenerate the regenerators." He explains it all to Dan Roberts and Liam Kelly, and also talks DAO structure, crypto factions, NFT use cases, his book "Greenpilled," and much more. For more from Decrypt, visit decrypt.co and follow @gmdecrypt on Twitter. Be sure to join the gm Telegram room for direct access to our hosts and guests. Hosts and guests: Dan Roberts Twitter: @readDanwrite Liam Kelly Twitter: @liam_gallas Kevin Owocki Twitter: @owocki Podcast thumbnail art by Grant Kempster Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.