Episode three of the Zero Barriers podcast series looks at the future of scaling. David Lavecky, co-founder of Canvas, recalls the moment in 2020 when he realized the base layer of Ethereum could not scale for use by banks and institutions without help. And Louis Guthmann, ecosystem lead at StarkWare, explains the history of scaling and the challenges ahead. He reveals two Starknet upgrades coming in 2023, putting it on track to match Visa in transactions per second. The episode is hosted by Andrew Fenton from  Cointelegraph Magazine and Nathan Jeffay from StarkWare. Guest’s Twitter: @davidlavecky @GuthL Cointelegraph’s Twitter: @Cointelegraph Cointelegraph’s website: cointelegraph.com  The views, thoughts and opinions expressed in this podcast are its participants’ alone and do not necessarily reflect or represent the views and opinions of Cointelegraph. This podcast (and any related content) is for entertainment purposes only and does not constitute financial advice, nor should it be taken as such. Everyone must do their own research and make their own decisions. The podcast’s participants may or may not own any of the assets mentioned.