All links and images for this episode can be found on CISO Series. We often talk about the contradiction of seemingly entry-level security jobs requiring years of experience. But maybe that's because entry-level jobs don't actually exist. Check out this post for the discussion that is the basis of our conversation on this week’s episode co-hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), the producer of CISO Series, and Geoff Belknap (@geoffbelknap), CISO, LinkedIn. Joining us this week is our guest Jay Wilson, CISO, Insurity. Thanks to our podcast sponsor, SlashNext SlashNext Complete delivers zero-hour protection for how people work today across email, mobile, and browser apps.  With SlashNext’s generative AI to defend against advanced business email compromise, smishing, spear phishing, executive impersonation, and financial fraud, your people are always protected anywhere they work.  Request a demo today. In this episode: What's “entry level” in cybersecurity and does it even exist? What causes the contradiction of seemingly entry-level security jobs requiring years of experience? Why does it seem like there are still no entry level jobs? How do job candidates get creative with their experience to get a foot in the door?