Bret and Matt welcome special guest Brendan Burns, CVP Azure Cloud Native & Resource Management, and also a founding member of the Kubernetes project. ___________________________________________________________________________________ 💥 This episode is brought to you by our valued sponsor and friends at Uffizzi! 💥Platform teams need control.  Dev Teams need autonomy.  Uffizzi provides a multi-tenant, Kubernetes Native foundation that accomplishes both. Every engineer gets self-service, sandboxed virtual clusters. Every team can have templating that works for them - all within a managed control plane. Runs on our infrastructure or yours.Spin up your first sandbox cluster in under a minute on the Free Starter Tier at https://www.uffizzi.com ___________________________________________________________________________________ Because Brendan is one of the three original co-founders of the Kubernetes project back in 2013 at Google, he's a little bit internet famous in open source and Cloud Native. So I was a little nervous going into this because I had so many questions. We took some live questions as we always do from YouTube live, and I thought it was a really great episode of a little mix of talking about Azure and some of the things you can do with containers, some of the things they're working on, some of the things that he's focused on that we haven't seen yet. We talk about AI and how that relates to some of these things. We even talk about WASM or WebAssembly, one of my favorite topics of the last year, because that's important so it was great to get his perspective. And I think my favorite part of the show is where we really talk about the next layers of abstraction, or maybe even the ways that we can deploy to Kubernetes or make it simpler to manage and deploy to. And that's been a real challenge for the community ever since Kubernetes was created in making it more accessible to more people, without it being so complex to manage and deal with underneath. And Brendan has some really great views on what it's going to take it to get us there. Live recording of the complete show from June 15, 2023 is on YouTube (Ep. #221). ★Topics★Ways to run containers on AzureDaprWebAssembly on Azure KubernetesWasmtimeTwelve-Factor App You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news! Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses.Get on the waitlist for my next live course on CI automation and gitops deployments. Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord.Grab some merch at Bret's Loot BoxHomepage bretfisher.comCreators & Guests Bret Fisher - Host Cristi Cotovan - Editor Beth Fisher - Producer Matt Williams - Host Brendan Burns - Guest (00:00) - Intro (03:49) - Introducing Brendan (09:26) - Advice for starting to run containers (31:09) - Reducing complexity with AI (35:20) - Addressing DevOps fatigue (43:17) - Running WebAssembly on Kubernetes (55:02) - LTS Linux Distributions (01:00:07) - What's next after containers and orchestration?