In this episode Chris Urriola (Hollis Brown) talks about his love of bass guitar, his debut EP Illustrator, his day job as an expeditor following school in music management at Berklee, hustling in gig culture/economy, and being a stickler but still being open to ideas. Plus, the art of creating songs and fleshing out ideas with friends in the studio, being patient with developing a career in music, the realities of self managing and touring, and being the nephew of Dave Gahan. You can check out Chris at these places: https://www.instagram.com/chrisurriola/?hl=en https://soundcloud.com/chrisurriola https://open.spotify.com/artist/70C7Nli7wLiQXza0YUPe7E?si=nS18Rs_GQTWjXtDB29FKjQ Paul works a day job and puts out vinyl and puts on shows via Katzulhu Productions https://www.facebook.com/paul.neil.12 https://www.facebook.com/katzulhu https://www.facebook.com/Dont-Quit-Your-Day-Job-podcast-107924851339602