In this episode, I am speaking to Giovanni Ciarlo (on Linkedin) from Gaia Education. He has developed their online Design for Sustainability programme, an intense year-long project that manages to engage, retain and transform learners ... so I was very curious to hear how they achieve that. We also talk about Gaia's face-to-face programmes, about possibilities for collaborations between providers of such experiential education and established universities and much more. We didn't speak about that explicitly, but Gaia provides their curriculum for the four-week face-to-face course as a free download to inspire others to contribute to their educational mission. If you are looking for experiential approaches to anything sustainability-related, for any educational context, it's worth having a look here. If you have any comments or questions, I'd be happy to hear from you. Email me at [email protected] Theme music from https://filmmusic.io: "Zigzag" by Kevin MacLeod (https://incompetech.com) Licence: CC BY (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ This podcast is powered by Pinecast.