Today we talk with Adi Iyengar, author of Build Your Own Web Framework in Elixir, and host of the Elixir Mix Podcast. We discuss programming being like magic (wizards beware), demystifying and teaching the craft, TDD, and all of the different thought processes, learnings, and experiences gained through writing the book. One to enjoy, for sure! Find Adi on: Twitter: https://twitter.com/lebugcatcher Use code 15ELIXIR  to get 15% off Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Build-Your-Framework-Elixir-hands/dp/1801812543 Elixir Mix Podcast --- Join the next class of up-and-coming #ElixirLang developers in the second #DockYardAcademy cohort! Pricing information is now available and applications are open through May 12 2023: Sign Up Now.