What does pain with movement mean? Many think it's a warning that harm is being done and a signal to stop. This week, clinician-researchers Professor Peter O’Sullivan and Kevin Wernli are joined by Megan who has a lived experience with chronic low back pain that resulted in 3 spinal surgeries. Take homes: - Megan's reframing of pain as danger meaning stop, to pain as being okay to move was important. - Learning modern pain science (especially that the brain produces pain) helped her move forward. - Having a trusted coach to hold her hand was imperative. - Ergonomic advice such as 'keep your back straight', 'brace your core' and 'sit up straight' wasn't helpful nor is it evidence-based. Show-notes available at https://www.bodylogic.physio/ Twitter handles @EBPPodcast @PeteOSullivanPT @JPCaneiro @KWernliPhysio *Peter O’Sullivan and JP Caneiro were awarded specialisation by the Australian College of Physiotherapists in 2005 and 2013 respectively. Theme music by Fervun and Cash. Produced by Kevin Wernli