Today, we discuss the state of attack surface across the Internet. We've known for decades now that putting an insecure service on the public Internet is a recipe for disaster, often within minutes. How has this knowledge changed the publicly accessible Internet? We find out when we talk to Censys's Aidan Holland today. We've reached an inflection point in security. There are a handful of organizations regularly and successfully stopping cyber attacks. Most companies haven't gotten there, however. What separates these two groups? Why does it seem like we're still failing as an industry, despite seeming to collectively have all the tools, intel, and budget we've asked for? Kelly Shortridge has studied this problem in depth. She has created tools (https://www.deciduous.app/), and written books (https://www.securitychaoseng.com/) to help the community approach security challenges in a more logical and structured way. We'll discuss what hasn't worked for infosec in the past, and what Kelly thinks might work as we go into the future. During the news today, we went deep down the rabbithole of discussing security product efficacy. Adrian still doesn't believe in enterprise browsers beyond Google Chrome, but can't deny that Talon got a pretty favorable exit considering the state of the market. We see the first major exit for cybersecurity insuretechs, and discuss a few notable funding rounds. We discuss Kelly Shortridge's essay on the origins and nature of the term "security" and what it means. Stephen Schmidt suggests 6 questions every board should ask their CISO, we explore Cyentia Labs' meta analysis of MITRE ATT&CK techniques, and Phil Venables shares some hilarious takes on infosec stereotypes.   Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/esw for all the latest episodes! Follow us on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/securityweekly Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/secweekly Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw-339