Welcome to episode 4 of season 3 of Explore Explain, a long-form video and podcast series all about data visualisation design. In this episode I am delighted to welcome Eleanor Lutz, Graphics Editor at New York Times, and Lisa Waananen Jones, journalist, designer, and Professor. We had a detailed conversation about the data and design story behind the New York Times' ongoing project to track the coronavirus status around the world and across the States. As well as listening to this show, you can watch the video of this conversation, illuminated by accompanying visual details of Jane's design workflow. Head over to Youtube and visit the Explore Explain channel.