Welcome to episode 5 of season 4 of Explore Explain, a long-form video and podcast series all about data visualisation design. In this latest episode, I am delighted to welcome Lora Oehlberg, Associate Professor of Computer Science at the University of Calgary in Canada, and Samuel Huron, Associate Professor in Design at the Institut Polytechnique de Paris in France. We explore the story behind their work, with fellow co-authors Wesley Willett and Till Nagel, on the new book 'Making with Data: Physical Design and Craft in a Data-Driven World', published December 2022, to learn more about the field of data physicalisation and the editorial process behind creating this book. As well as listening to this show, you can watch the video of this conversation. Head over to Youtube and visit the Explore Explain channel.