Welcome to episode 8 of season 4 of Explore Explain, a long-form video and podcast series all about data visualisation design. In this latest episode, I am delighted to welcome Denise Lu, Graphics reporter at Bloomberg News, based in New York City. We explore the story behind her side project visualising her analysis of the tracks played during the reunion shows of her favourite band, Pavement. The day before this episode was launched, it was announced that this project had won 'The Pudding Cup' 2023 gold prize - congratulations to Denise! As well as listening to this show, you can watch the video of this conversation. Head over to Youtube and visit the Explore Explain channel.