How do we break new ground in our personal career or even an industry; particularly when there are well-established barriers and the challenges of low diversity and inclusion? Margie Hartley speaks with Chelsea Roffey, journalist, author and the first woman to officiate an AFL Grand Final, about how it was being a young woman in a very visible, highly scrutinised, starkly male domain and how it led her to find the opportunities for inclusion and diversity in organisations moving forward. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.