‘If you don’t understand who’s behind a shell company, you’re not going to understand what’s going on with a multi-million-dollar transaction moving across borders.’ Mike Hudson and Spencer Woodman, investigative journalists at the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), talk with Kieran about the 16 months of reporting that went into making sense of the FinCEN files - more than 2000 leaked SARs linking the world’s biggest banks to Jho Low, Paul Manafort, Russian oligarchs, and international crime networks. Mike and Spencer detail their investigative methods and describe the systemic failures that led to billions of dollars of dirty money being funnelled through the global financial system. Read Mike’s bio: https://www.icij.org/journalists/michael-hudson Read Spencer’s bio: https://www.icij.org/journalists/spencer-woodman