On this episode of “Food Lab Talk”, host Michiel Bakker is joined by Kathy Cacciola, global sustainability lead on the Google Food team. Together, they reflect on their thoughts, impressions and learnings from Season 1, including the importance of community in food systems and practical advice for changemakers. Our favorite takeaway: In complex systems, you learn by doing, so get started!    00:20 Introduction to Kathy Cacciola  02:15 Kathy’s Season 1 impressions: No ego, reframing food challenges  03:30 The personal connection, perspectives and positivity  06:45 Understanding the complexity of food systems  11:20 Community and moving at the speed of trust  14:54 Season 1 practical takeaways for changemakers  16:50 Michiel’s changemaking advice: Frame, orient, mobilize  19:15 Kathy’s changemaking advice: The value of naysayers  20:12 The many roles of changemakers  21:38 Previewing Season 2: Shifting Diets  24:04 Our parting thought: Food creates relationships    Links  Amy Keister, Compass Group  Ashley Zanolli, EPA  James Kanoff, The Farmlink Project  A-dae Romero-Briones, First Nations Development Institute   Adam Litle, Sound Agriculture  Neel Ghose, Robin Hood Army    Don’t miss Season 2 of Food Lab Talk “Shifting Diets,” launching September 2023.     Subscribe, rate, review the show at foodlabtalk.com    *The views expressed by the guests in this podcast don't necessarily represent the host’s views, nor those of his employer.