Chef Ann Cooper is a celebrated author, educator, and enduring advocate for better food for all children. She has been a relentless champion of school food reform for improved child nutrition. Known as the “Renegade Lunch Lady,“ Chef Ann founded the Chef Ann Foundation in 2009, a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping schools take action so that every child has daily access to fresh, healthy food. Chef Ann Cooper: “In the beginning, I just kind of thought, I know what's right. This is what I want to do. I'm going to push, I'm going to push, and I'm going to push and yell and scream and jump up and down and people will listen. And I think maybe, you know, 25 years ago, there was a place for that, but I've come to learn that system change has to be really inclusive. It has to be collaborative. Doesn't mean I can't jump up and down and yell and scream, but I have to listen as much as I yell and I have to bring everyone to the table. And when you do that, it's maybe slower, but then this change becomes more sustainable and more people come under the umbrella.” 00:20 Intro to Chef Ann 01:14 How a digital lunch box could change the world 04:02 The role of parents, educators, farmers in school food reform 04:50 From renegade to mainstream  06:42 Why collaboration is essential to sustainable systems change  09:10 Pushing from the inside vs. hammering on the outside  10:16 Future opportunities for shifting school foodservice operations 12:05 Working on a continuum to evaluate partners and focus efforts 13:55 The catalyst for change comes from within 15:04 Levers for changemaking: food, finance, facilities, human resources, marketing 17:02 Shedding light on the nuanced school food rules and regulations  19:26 Changing behavior through ownership and education 21:14 The two things that would change everything: free school meals for all and higher reimbursement rates 22:21 What partners, policy, and patience have to do with changemaking 24:43 How to become a leader and changemaker 26:59 Reflections from founding and scaling a social impact organization 31:13 Takeaways for changemakers  Links Chef Ann Foundation Food Lab Talk Episode: Stephen Ritz Food Corps USDA School Meal Standards Keep in Touch Subscribe, rate, review the show at foodlabtalk.com Follow Food Lab talk on YouTube and LinkedIn *The views expressed by the guests in this podcast don't necessarily represent the host’s views, nor those of his employer.