Nancy Shippentower is a member of the Northwest Fishing Commission, a member of the Puyallup nation, and a fighter for tribal and fishing rights. Her parents are Jackie McCloud and Tom McCloud. She grew up in a family invested in the fishing wars during the 50’ and 60’s. She told us about how her father and their relatives went to jail for 60 days. When they were in jail the other inmates didn’t believe that they were there for fishing, and they asked the guards if they were telling the truth. Unlike many people in jail, her family were denied early release. Billy Frank jr. was her uncle, and he joined them in jail, was even kept in jail an additional week. Soon after he became the spokesperson for the tribes in Washington who fought for their fishing rights. Darrell mentions that he did speak very well and very strong, able to unite the tribes around his mind. She told us the story of when her father went to jail when she was 8 years old. At this time they were very poor (though she never saw it that way then) and she had to go to Woolworth to get her shoes fixed. This was exciting because she could see her daddy. Yet when she went to meet him there was only a steel wall. So little was the opening in it, that she could only see his eyes. She wanted to grab him so much she couldn’t help but cry. Nancy then saw the rest of her family, including her cousins and uncle who made her laugh. Yet when they went back to their cells they all cried for how forsaken their wives and daughters were with them in prison. However the women didn’t let themselves become forsaken. Instead they banded together and went fishing, helped each other, and fed each other. But do not believe that because they were strong that they took the jails and detentions lightly, for whenever the possibility of jail came up, a family meeting would be called to determine if the family members should go through with the stand. They did believe in what they were doing. Darrell then asked Nancy about when her mother got involved in fighting for Treaty and fishing rights. However Nancy answered that her mother not only stood for those pillars, but also for the poor, the welfare system, a decent education, empowerment to women and fixing the foster care system for children. When she got to this note, Nancy described a story of when her mother wrote a letter called “operation Rotten Apple” about how Native kids were being taken from their homes and given to non native homes. Soon after that she received a house call from a social worker who delivered her cousins unto her saying “Here’s your rotten apples, you can have them.” After this her mother started taking in kids who had no home. Darrell and Nancy then discussed how her mother also fought for Sweat Lodges inside Prison. This began shortly after she got invited to the American Indian Brotherhood. She had learned that many native men and women couldn’t practice their religion due to the absence of Sweat Lodges to worship in, about how to fast and pray to the creator people had to put themselves in solitary. Nancy’s mother was so tenacious, she actually got banned from prisons, but she got back inside after she appealed to the upper levels of government. She also tried encouraging the inmates for after jail by bringing in celebrities like Jane Fonda and Dick Gregory (who is featured in the podcast later). Darrell then brought up her Minnesota visit which happened around 1969 or 8. Nancy was supposed to be married in New York, Six Nations but changed her mind. On the way back in Minnesota they met Dennis Banks and Russell Means and the Vernon Bellecourt who then came to Washington state. They all had plans to make an American Indian Movement, which her mother became a founder of. She wound up adopting almost all of them due to how much they listened to her and respected her age. Darrell asked a