In this episode, host Daniel Neilson speaks with Emily Law and Ben Roberts who are both climbers, and instruct on the Mountains in Wales. The trajectory of climbing skills isn’t always straightforward. In fact, there’s one big elephant in the room, one which Emily confronts head-on in her short film Free to Fall. Falling is a real fear at most levels of climbing, and one we all need to address, whether you're just starting out or hitting the lofty grades that Ben Roberts is tackling at the moment.  Emily discusses how she overcame these fears, the methods she used to combat that, and how these skills can be used in other parts of everyday life.