Is being stubborn really a bad thing? Tanya Hosch is the first Indigenous person appointed to the AFL executive and has held leadership roles in sport, the arts, culture, social justice, and public policy. As one of the pre-eminent Indigenous leaders pursuing constitutional recognition of Australia’s First Nations people, Tanya recently spoke at the Voice date launch event in Adelaide just weeks after having her leg amputated. In this discussion with Helen McCabe, Tanya talks about how to lead when you feel like an outsider, remaining resilient, and why being stubborn is heavily underrated.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.