How can you best raise team morale? Lucy Durack and Elise McCann are two of Australia’s most effervescent performers. They're also the ones in their friend group that everyone turns to when they need a pep talk. In this conversation with Helen McCabe, Lucy and Elise discuss confronting perfectionism, thriving amongst public criticism, and a pep talk Lucy overheard Kylie Minogue having with her sister Dani. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.