Is it a cliche that 'we're all leaders in a way'? Winnie Dunn is a Tongan-Australian writer and editor from Mount Druitt. She is also the General Manager of Sweatshop Literacy Movement. In this discussion with Helen McCabe, Winnie discusses intersectionality, how stereotypes limit leadership opportunities, and the importance of listening to those with lived experience.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.