Climate change advocacy and Tony Abbott aren't two things usually associated with each other. But, in 2013 when the then Prime Minister abolished the Climate Commission, Amanda McKenzie immediately sprung into action and founded the Climate Council, where she remains CEO. In this discussion with Helen McCabe, Amanda discusses the importance of taking risks, the difficult balance of leading while having young children and how she approaches the dual role of advocate and leader.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.