If you think adoption may be the right path to parenthood for you, there are three options; private adoption, adoption through the foster care system, and international adoption. Unsurprisingly, international adoption comes with plenty of extra hurdles for queer parents-to-be. But it is possible, especially with the help of the right experts. This episode, host David Dodge talks to Lauren Jiang, Director of Permanency & Client Services at Spence Chapin, one of the only adoption agencies that helps LGBTQ+ singles and couples in the U.S. with international adoption in South Africa and Colombia. David and Lauren also discuss Spence Chapin's wonderful initiative, The Granny Program, which pairs children in orphanages in South Africa with a grandparent-figure who can give them one-on-one attention until they are placed with their forever families. Read more about the Granny Program at gayswithkids.com, follow us on social media @gays_with_kids, and learn about Spence Chapin's family services at Spence-Chapin.org. GWK the Podcast will be back with season 3 soon!