Our understanding of reality is science, and so science shapes our reality. Facts, research and evidence are ideally the foundations of how consequential decisions are made in policy, business and institutions, but also in households, relationships and one’s own life. Now, what role is science playing in creating a true narrative during crises such as COVID-19 and climate change? And vice versa: how are crises affecting science’s narrative and public trust? In this timeless episode, originally aired during the GLF Bonn 2020 Digital Conference in June 2020, we’re joined by Center for International Forestry Research (CIFOR) scientist Amy Duchelle and Science editor-in-chief Holden Thorp about the role of science in narrative-building today.