2023 holds enormous potential when it comes to Indigenous relations in Australia. With a referendum looming, there are great hopes that the role and status of Indigenous people and knowledge will be elevated significantly. Most of the discussion is focusing on how this will happen domestically, but there are moves afoot to incorporate Indigenous culture into the foreign sphere also. Foreign Minister Penny Wong has asserted taht she wants Australia to move towards a First Nations-led foreign policy, and work towards enacting that is underway. Joe Morrison, CEO of the Indigenous Land and Sea Corporation, has a long background in working in indigenous affairs, and has written extensively on foreign policy. He joins Jess and Rachel to discuss how traditional and cultural perspectives and practices can be used elsewhere, how they can interact with the commercial sector, and just what opportunities exist to boost our indigenous interconnectivity can cross borders and seas. https://www.ilsc.gov.au https://www.firesticks.org.au