In this episode of the podcast, Kate sits down with author and poet Melanie Challenger to discuss her two books How to Be Animal and On Extinction. Melanie also hosted the beautiful podcast ‘Psychosphere’ exploring the minds of animals outside of the human animal. This episode explores our disconnection with nature and how it begins in childhood and how it might separate us from the truth that we, as humans, are also animals. It explores what it might mean to come home to the realization that we are animals. Death, mortality, and grief and their roles in our animal bodies are explored as is our human superpower ability to love. This is big episode with a lot of beautiful explorations into what it really means to be human.  Find Melanie: How to Be Animal by Melanie Challenger On Extinction by Melanie Challenger Galatea by Melanie Challenger Resources Mentioned: Animals in the Room Support the Podcast: Substack Leave a one-time Tip Connect with Kate: Instagram email: [email protected] Current Discounts for MBS listeners: 15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH KateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face Food