Recognize Burnout Before Burning Out: Part 1 Gretchen Asuncion: Then it kind of blows up in your face of, oh, did I take on too much or I missed something.  McGill Onate: There's a lot of different things that I'm, like learning throughout this entire conversation, so hopefully you guys can enlighten me and stuff like that.  Brother Richie Juatco: There's actually a condition that God is waiting for, so that He can give that strength. What is that?  [Show intro]  Shannon Santamaria: You're listening to Heart and Soul, a podcast from the Iglesia Ni Cristo Church Of Christ. I'm one of your hosts, Shannon Santamaria, and it's here where we have real conversations with friends who are helping each other reach the best Christian version of themselves. This is Heart and Soul.  [Show Open] Shannon: Hey guys! Welcome to Heart and Soul! And with me today are my hosts, Gretchen. Hey, Gretchen!  Gretchen: Hello, hello!  Shannon: Welcome back! And McGill. Hey, McGill!  McGill: Hey, Shannon! What's up, everyone? Shannon: It's good. It's nice to see you here today with me. And with us is a minister of the Gospel, Brother Richie Juatco. Hi, Brother!  Brother Richie: How are you? How are you, Shannon? Gretchen? McGill? Very nice to be with you guys! McGill: Good, good! How are you? Brother Richie: I'm very good. I’m very good. Thank you for asking!  McGill: Oh, of course. Shannon: It is so nice for all of you guys to be joining me today. I actually wanted to talk about what a lot of people have been feeling lately and that's burnout. I know, before we met, I was talking with you guys a little bit about burnout, just a casual conversation. And I thought, why not bring it to Heart and Soul and, you know, be guided by the words of God? I actually spoke to one of our friends, Dr. Sydney Fontanares. Just a refresher: Dr. Sydney is a clinical psychologist in the San Francisco Bay Area and a Church Of Christ member. She's been on our show a couple of times already, and I reached out to her about burnout. Now, here's what she had to say:  [Phone ringing]  [Phone conversation with Dr. Sydney begins]  Shannon: Hey, Dr. Sydney!  Dr. Sydney: Hi. Hello. Hi, Shannon. How are you? Shannon: I'm good. I'm so glad you were able to make this phone call with me.  Dr. Sydney: For sure.  Shannon: I know that our podcast is actually talking about burnout and experiencing burnout, and I have a couple of questions for you. Are you free? Dr. Sydney: Yes! I am. Shannon: Okay, awesome. So I wanted to ask, what is the clinical definition of burnout? Dr. Sydney: Sure. So according to the Mayo Clinic, it's a state of physical or emotional exhaustion that also involves a sense of reduced accomplishment and a loss of personal identity. So kind of to, if you don't mind, Shannon, if I could break that down?  Shannon: Yeah, definitely!  Dr. Sydney: You know, there are, you know, when you're working, there is a normal response to feeling stressed or tired, and usually if we take a nap or do something to take care of ourselves, we can bounce back. But with what we're seeing with people who experience burnout, they're having a little bit more difficulty in doing this. And then not only are they having difficulty with bouncing back at work, but also it's starting to affect different aspects of their life, including outside of work. Shannon: Oh, wow.  Dr. Sydney: Yeah, yeah. It's kind of, what we call it, I'm not exactly sure what we call it, but it kind of sneaks up on you actually, and you don't quickly, you know, see it coming. We call it, what is it? 20/20? Hindsight is 20/20.  Shannon: Shannon: Right.  Dr. Sydney: And then you look back and you're like, oh, man, I was burnt out this entire time, and that’s why it… m-hmm?